i really dont think everyone should jump to connclusions just because a few have deserted does not mean everyone should lets discuss this at our clan meeting we really need to get to the bottem of this as for people coming onto our vent or forums to recruit ban them that is very rude and uncalled for ein should not be welcome here any longer ban on site

xfire dan xfire you can't stop xfire

i know you cant stop xfire but it was done on vent to we can control the one not the other but that should deter acts that are uncalled for at least slow it done if someone leaves it just means they didnt plan on staying anyway i just dont like people coming into were we are to put an extra bug in thier ear

problem was dan....it wasnt offered on our vent but on their teamspeak.... Unlike someone like myself whos job is to associate us and hang out with alot of other clans tainted wasn't really used to it...when he was offered a spot he took it...theres nothing more to discuss about this though.

Its not relevant me and brim and valk have talked about the ein thing....Violent says no more and its in our decision to turn the other cheek over one incident...in turn for the year and a halfs worth of work we got making friends with them..

Ive talked to violent myself and given him the sitrep for him as well as his clanmates..

We can not dwell on this the only thing that should be on our minds is how were going to improve smo to ensure ourselves that this wont happen again. Look to the future not the past..

im just a little pissed about the whole deal and had ti vent take no offense but when i was going to leave a bunch of yoou guys talked me out of it and two of them were red and tainted just needed to get my dissappointment of my chest so i can move on i really took this one hard

its ok dan man we all took a hard one from tainted but guys its not the tags but the name we are friends with and if where only friends with the tags then what type of friendship was that?

its not that its now he is going to not be around anymore i will miss him and red but i hope they are happy as for the rest of us time marches on

This is going to be a long post -- so unless you are bored, you don't need to read it.

krylover and dan, I do agree with what you say too, and that is a good point. There were a lot of good times that Tainted and I shared, and I still appreciate those. He did also talk to us when he left and did not lie about it, but it's the directly leaving us for someone else thing that cuts me to the bone. I had no problem with him stepping down as leadership. No one should be forced into that if their life is crazy as his is right now. I had no problem with him taking time off for school and whatever else was going on. I had no problem with him going onto EIN vent and hanging with them whenever he wanted to. EIN had been very close to us, and we are not elitist or separatists either. It just hurts when a person you trust and think you are close with leaves. Because we were both leadership, and he co-recruited and co-sponsored me, It feels like a family member walking out. And just like a kid would resent a parent walking out on them, I do feel some resentment. Our clan means a lot to me. the name SMo means a lot to me, we all spend a lot of time together, and a lot of effort went into making the clan run smoothly.

A quick story to get this off my chest too. I don't want to dwell on this after this though.

I hope Valk does not mind me telling this story. One day, last month on vent, we were trading telephone numbers, Tainted, Cav, Valk and myself. Valk did not want to give his number out, as he thought it was breaching the "online" versus "physical" friends line. That's fine, but in trying to convince him that he should trust us with it, Tainted said that he does not just see us as online friends, but close friends that he trusts and cares about. I was very touched at the time, that really meant a lot to me and I felt the same way too. I feel that way about all you guys. When he left though, even though he did it in a "nice" way, I do feel betrayed as a friend. It really sank in after the first night that he and I talked, and it has continued to sit on me.

Commitment and loyalty govern any work life, ship life, military life, fraternity life and IMO they should govern a clan. He and Redwing do not share my sentiment, and I think that is what hurts me the most. Ultimately, I can't stop them, but I realize that they were not the friends that they portrayed themselves as. They were simply "I-love-you-until-something-better-comes-along", not to sound gay. We will hopefully still remain friends after all the feelings subside, but I would not share my close personal life with them anymore.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. I don't care if anyone reads it, I just wanted to get it off my chest too, since it was weighing me down. Let's just get up, grab our flag and march on!

Let's just get up, grab our flag and march on!

I was supposed to bring the flag!? dang it! i forgot :/

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... thats all i can say. Not really. What did i miss? I've been kinda busy. Trying to get on. I got on yesterday, and senor was on. He said hi? i think? idk. My dad was yelling at us all for not doing our chores before we went and did anything fun But yea. Life got me. Ill try to get on this weekend. I will also be joining softball. So again I might be busy it starts in march though. Spring break is coming up soon. So i should be on (:

And for explaining all that happened. You can just pm me if you would like. You all sound very upset...